The following is a transcript from the Pro America Report.
Welcome, welcome, welcome! Ed Martin here on the Pro America Report. And great to be with you. We’ve got a lot to talk about today. What you need to know today is the great divider continues. The great divider continues. Joe Biden has an incredible gift. I don’t know, that’s the wrong word. He has the incredible ability, clearly has the ability and he has the will, his administration, to just divide the heck out of us. You can divide us in all kinds of ways. I mean, you have to just shake your head and wonder and we’ll talk about it with the student loan forgiveness. It’s just breathtaking to see how a policy debate that could and should be had, it should be had, is shortcut by Joe Biden pandering and dividing. And so we’ll get to that.
Also, later on in the program, we will talk with a rabbi, a rabbi about how the Catholics, the evangelical Protestants and the Jews recently banded together to stand up to a worldwide effort to take away the rights of conscience of medical professionals. Very interesting story. I hope it’s an indication of cooperation to come because the challenges facing health care and everything but health care especially, around protections for conservative doctors. Whether it’s doctors who want to seek life saving remedies for their patients. (See Covid.) Whether it’s doctors who don’t want to participate in abortion. Whether it’s doctors who have qualms about the rapid increase in government payments to facilitate so called palliative care at the end of life. It looks a lot like euthanasia. It looks a lot like hastening death. And there are health care professionals that don’t want to participate and the healthcare system has always honored that. And yet we’re living in a world where so many things about this are off balance. So we’ll get to that later on this interview. Sorry, I have digressed into that for a moment. But I do think it’s important and I think more and more you hear me talk about bioethical issues. There is more and more reason to worry about the bioethics by the underlying values that are driving things in this country.
All right, so we will also talk about the role of the pro-life movement, what’s happening with the pro-life movement in America, and in particular, we’re going to get an update from a woman named Christina, Christina Bennett. Christina Bennett is now a correspondent with Live Action. Of course, the organization that Lila Rose started which has been so successful in so many ways, but also this woman, Christina Bennett, has a history that is really worth admiring and worth understanding. She’s an African American minister who also was in her story, her life story, she was almost aborted. Her mother came very close to aborting her and decided to have the baby for lots of reasons. And this woman, Christina Bennett, has gone on to be this great advocate for life, really impressive to hear her. So we’ll talk with her in a moment. All right. But first what you need to know.
What’s happening with this loan forgiveness. Right?
Everybody knows someone who has been burdened by debt from education. That didn’t seem worth it. Meaning I think if you take out a loan, loans for college and it works out even though the loans are burdensome and they will drag on, you can kind of see how it worked out, right? In other words, let’s say for example, you go to a very fine school. Let’s say you go to a private school and you get a degree in economics and accounting or engineering and you go out and you get a job. Well, if you’ve gone to a private school, you probably still are paying a good amount of money, probably paying serious dough, and you probably have loans, but you’re on track to have a career.
And although it may actually distort decisions you make, having loans is probably, I don’t know, worth it is the wrong word, but it will work out.
And we should talk about how the fact that if you have $100,000 or $200,000 in loans, it distorts a lot of decisions when you buy a home, when you marry, when you have kids, decisions about what you could do, how you support your church, all those kinds of things are the cascading effects. But those are not the worst cases, right?
The worst cases are when people take out lots of loans and they end up under educated anyway. And we talked about that the other day.
But here’s the problem. We have a situation where Joe Biden has yet again divided us. First of all, he said we’re going to forgive $10,000 in loans. Most of the people I talk to have much more than that. So while that will sort of help some people, I’m not sure it’s going to change the life of most people. I don’t think so. But also then there’s going to be all sorts of caveats on this and here’s the truth of it.
No less an authority than Nancy Pelosi said he can’t do this. Joe Biden cannot do this unilaterally. We have to do it at the Congress. And I’m reminded, by the way, I’m reminded very vividly of Barack Obama saying he could not fix the immigration issues around the so called Dreamers. He couldn’t do it. It was Congress’s job. He said, Obama said. And then after the Congress couldn’t get anything done, he said I got a pen and I got a phone. Meaning he’s going to sign an executive order and then he’s going to call the grassroots and galvanize them.
That’s exactly the playbook.
Biden is just like Obama, meaning he’s lawless, he’s outside the law. And what he’s going to do is do something that divides us. Something that divides us that somehow if you stand up and say why are you forgiving loans for students you’re against students. I’m not against students.
I’m not against students at all. The reality is that we should have a debate. It should be a big policy debate about the burden of loans on students. I’m for that. I’m for a conversation, as I think it was Ted Cruz or one of them tweeted today, one of the elected officials that’s usually fearless on this stuff tweeted and said, Harvard’s got 50 plus billion dollars in endowment. The universities and the colleges that survived Covid, a bunch of them closed, by the way, smaller ones and weaker ones. The ones that survived made money. They still got tuition. They got bailouts from the government. They strengthened their position financially, and they have, many of them have billions of dollars in endowments. And yet the whole system of loans is engineered in such a way that who’s on the hook when loans are burdensome?
Not the university.
Who’s on the hook? The government. You and I.
But since loans are not dischargeable in bankruptcy that’s the law. That’s part of the law, then they’re just they just float and they drag people down. We should have a serious debate about why we allow our educational system to be subsidized and socialized. By Fannie Mae? Not by Fannie Mae, is it? Sally? Mae, by the federal loan authorities. There’s a bunch of different ones. They’ve changed the names a couple of times. And what it means when we do that because you take out the incentives of accountability and competition when you make sure that the universities won’t be held accountable. You can’t go back to the university and say, you charged me $200,000 and I can’t get a job. You charged me $160,000 and my job is I’m stagnant I’m stuck here. You can’t do that, right? For lots of reasons, by the way, that can’t be the accountability. But there’s no one saying, Sell me a different product.
Why? Because that’s not the pressure point.
The pressure was insulated from the pressure point of money. So we should have a serious conversation. We should be having the conversation about what the universities are doing, what the loan authority’s doing, what the companies that make loans are doing, how the system, the big, big, big, big money system of education has skewed public policy against we the people.
But when Joe Biden gets up and says, oh, even though Nancy Pelosi and others agree, I don’t have the authority, I don’t care. I’m like Obama. I got a pen and a phone. I’ll do what I want. And he picks a number, $10,000. And he picks eligible people.
And what he does is divide the heck out of us. He divides the heck out of us. And people that don’t fall within his parameters or are outside of, or they worked to pay back their loans or whatever, it feeds envy and class struggle and all that stuff. And at a certain point, you say, hey, Joe Biden, it looks like you like this happening. You keep doing this. You keep picking winners and losers and pitting us against each other. And nothing is really changing. Nothing meaningful is changing. It’s not changing the dynamic for the country. It’s just not. There’s no way no one can tell me it has, it is.
All right? That’s all I’ve got for now. That’s what you need to know. The loan forgiveness program by Joe Biden is not only illegal, not, extra constitutional. It’s bad for people. It’s bad for the country.
It isn’t fair, but fairness is something that’s neither here nor there most of the time in government.
But I wish he would stop. I wish he would just stop. All right, we got to run.
We’ll be back. We’ve got great interviews. Ed Martin here in the Pro America Report. Back in a moment.