Welcome. Welcome, welcome! Ed Martin here on The Pro America Report. And what an interesting interview upcoming, I can tell you that I already did this interview. I recorded it.
I was getting ready to speak with Cynthia Hughes, who is the founder of the Patriot Freedom Project, which is a project started after January 6. In fact, it was an organization that she had started to help with some, I think, suicide prevention among veterans. But she hadn’t really gotten the work started, so she switched it over. Cynthia Hughes did, and the Patriot Freedom Project is focused on helping the January 6 prisoners with lawyers and also their families with the costs associated with their husband being in jail.
And I don’t know, I was planning to ask Cynthia, who I know pretty well now, I was going to ask her, well, when you thought did you think this, when you started this, did you think it would last six months or a year or something? And it’s going on for a year and a half, and it will go on for a long time because these men have been held in prison for longer than anybody expected, and there’s not trials, and it’s just terrible.
But anyway, I was getting ready to talk to Cynthia Hughes, and we’ll talk a few minutes later on this program, also with Mickey Kaus. I mentioned yesterday on the program that stay paranoid is something he argued when it comes to Republicans caving on principles. So we’ll talk with Mickey also.
But I was getting ready to talk to Cynthia Hughes, and she texted and said, hey, if you call me right now, you can talk to Tim Hale, one of the J Six prisoners. Her nephew, she calls him, I think it’s a family friend who basically she adopted Tim Hale. And they’re very close, like mother and son, or close to it.
So I say, you’re kidding. So I jumped on so I just did this interview. It’s about twelve minutes long with Tim Hale, who’s in what we call Gitmo, DC, the prison in DC where the January 6 prisoners are held. It’s an extraordinary conversation, but one of the things I asked him is, I said, do you think you’re a political prisoner? And he kind of refused to call himself that.
He called some of his fellow prisoners political prisoners. But he certainly said that he was being held not for what he did, but for who he is. And here’s the thing.
What you need to know right now is it’s just true that when you normalize certain behavior, when you do certain behavior enough, it normalizes it and makes it more common.
What do I mean by that? Well, Mike Flynn, General Mike Flynn was clearly targeted to get him not only out of office when he was National Security Adviser designee, but also to get him tied up in such a way that you could send him to jail and he almost went to jail because he was put in such a difficult position based upon his family members and others that were being squeezed also. And he was a political prisoner, and it went on for years, and at the end of it all, it basically became clear that, at least it was engineered to get him out of office.
And really, it looks like it was engineered, the whole thing was engineered to try to have a coup to get rid of Trump.
It wasn’t only General Flynn, but he became sort of collateral damage, but he was also a political prisoner. Now, he never went to jail, thankfully, but I think I’ve never heard him say that he would describe himself that way.
But back to these men after January 6, there’s only a few of them that actually did something specific where they, I don’t know, kicked in a door or used an item and hit law enforcement. Those are pretty obvious, right?
The rest of these people that are in jail are in jail for obstruction of proceedings. In other words, obstructing the proceedings of Congress. And some of them, I think, Tim Hale, and he said it in a different interview, he didn’t actually even realize that Congress was meeting at the time that they were there. In other words, it’s hard to obstruct a process you didn’t know was going on.
And they went back and said, Oh, well, he said he had read American history. In the moment you were in, you might have thought, you might not have realized that anything was going on. But my point is, very few people that are being held are being held for specific acts. And you contrast that with antifa, Black Lives Matter. Others that have been arrested for burning cars, smashing windows of storefronts, and they’re let go. They’re actually let go, not even with a fine, not even with a misdemeanor, just said, okay, you’re out of control on Donald Trump’s Inauguration Day, burned a couple of cars, whatever. We’re just going to let you go. So a different way to phrase this question would be to say, are these men from January 6, that are in jail, are they being treated so differently than others that that makes them political prisoners?
Because one comeback from people will be, oh, well, it’s one thing to burn a car in the District of Columbia six blocks from the White House. It’s one thing to try to kick in the gates the fencing across the street from the White House, but that’s different than entering the capital grounds.
Well, is it? What is the difference? What’s the qualitative difference that makes me think, oh yeah, one group of people that did that should be in jail without trials, in many cases for 15, 16, 18 months almost, and the other should be allowed to go free. At a certain point the preference to prosecute is not just discretion.
It’s not just discretion to say, oh, well, there was a guy walking home from work, he was swinging his bag and had his lunch pail in it. It was really heavy, and he hit it into a car and he shattered the window, or even more, let’s do it this way. He swings his coat and has something in the pocket intentionally against a car because he’s mad at something and it breaks the window. Or the guy that comes along and says, hey, here’s a brick, I’m throwing it through the window. If you’re a prosecutor, you’re allowed to have discretion over decision making on who to prosecute based on what you see as the official person is within a kind of framework of what’s good for the community.
But that’s not the same as preferring showing preference to prosecute and to just persecute men after January 6.
And it’s almost like the prosecutors have also sort of worked hand in glove, or in some sense, almost waited for Congress and the select committee, the propaganda committee, to bolster their case. Because if you were to look very, very generically at one of these cases, some of them, not all of them, by the way, there are a few that they’re much rougher and there’s much more going on, and I understand that. But a few of them you could look at and say, that guy looks like he walked in the building, it looks like he went through the building, he went out the other side. Should he not have been there? Yeah, probably. Was he with some bad guys? Yeah, probably. Bad associates? Yeah. But is that one that should be allowed to be, to be let go? Yeah, except the media.
Big tech, big media, big government, in this case, big government. And the select committee has drilled home a message that it’s insurrection. So you’re not just a participant in a political rally that ended up with people walking in the building, you’re part of an insurrection, total insurrection.
It’s amazing to see, and I don’t think there’s any other way to answer the question than to, when the question is, are you a political prisoner or are these men political prisoners, the answer is yes.
The answer is completely yes.
And the only question I have, and what you need to know is if you can get from Flynn to J6, if you can get from taking out one guy out of his office and forcing him out of office and then trying to get him in trouble, maybe the trouble was incidental to getting him out of office, maybe. Maybe the trouble pressuring him was to get him to not talk about the reason he was pushed out of office, but all the way through to a couple of dozen people being charged with sort of light charges as a way to punish them.
What you need to know is we’ve talked about it a lot, people pay attention to incentives. If the incentive is that if the incentive, or in this case, disincentive is to be targeted. People are going to stop letting their voice be heard. They’re going to stop going to any rally. They’re going to stop being anywhere near what could be deemed dangerous. And ultimately they’re going to decide based on self-interest, the place to be is wherever the regime, wherever the power wants you to be, that’s where this ends up.
And it’s not a good place. It’s not the place that feels very American and what we want. Are they political prisoners? Well, you listen in a minute you’ll hear Tim Hale talking about what’s happening to him in prison. The quality is a little rough, but I think you’ll have a sense and it’s something in this country, something in this moment in America where with as much technology as we have and access to information that we haven’t cut through and decided, hey, we’re not going to let this treatment of people be so off balance and so unfair. We’re not going to let it happen like that. But, something to behold, all right?
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